Answers to Questions From Comment Posted in BOLD
I went and read a couple of the pamphlets at your website.(Christian
They raised a few questions:
About how old do you think the Blessed Virgin Mary was when she conceived
BIBLICAL SCHOLARS SAY SHE WAS ABOUT 15 OR 16. GIRLS AT THAT TIME,
CULTURE, PHYSICAL CONDITIONS OF LIFE, ETC. MATURED YOUNGER.
Wasnâ€™t she betrothed to Joseph at the time?
My understanding is that she is thought to have been in her mid-teens.
But, John, she replied to God about bearing a child without asking her
father nor her betrothed husband for permission. Nor did God ask them for
permission. God spoke directly to Mary, and Mary directly responded â€œBe
it unto me according to THY willâ€. Indeed she is a very good role model
of appropriate submission (which does not rob a wife of free will,
conscience, nor her own relationship with God and responsibility to give
Him His rightful place as Lord of her life)
MARY IS RECOGNIZED AS THE WOMAN OF OBEDIENT FAITH AND MODEL CHRISTIAN
BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTS ARE BEGINNING TO
DISCOVER THIS. MARY KNEW THE REQUEST WAS FROM GOD – A HIGHER
AUTHORITY THAN ANY MAN AND THE BIBLE SAYS THAT ALL PATERNITY IS NAMED
AFTER GOD THE FATHER. SHE DID NOT NEED PERMISSION OF JOSEPH WHEN SHE
WAS DEALING WITH THE WILL OF THE INFINITE FATHERHOOD OF GOD THROUGH
THE ANGEL. YET, BIBLICAL SCHOLARS SAY SHE WAS “FREE.” THE
INCARNATION DID NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL MARY SAID ‘YES’ HEAVEN AWAITED
HER ANSWER. “BE IT DONE TO BE ACCORDING TO YOUR WORD.” The Word was
made flesh and the Angel disappeared. Mission accomplished. Joseph
gave his free will to this arrangement too. That is why he is called
“Virginal Father.” NOTICING MARY WAS PREGNANT, JOSEPH WAS CONCERNED
AS BY JEWISH LAW A WOMAN GUILTY OF ADULTERY COULD BE STONED TO DEATH.
THE ANGEL INFORMED JOSEPH – FEAR NOT to take MARY INTO YOUR HOME AS
YOUR WIFE (THE 2ND STEP OF MARRIAGE FOR THE JEWS; FIRST STEP WAS
BETROTHEL DURING WHICH CONJUGAL RELATIONS WERE PERMITTED… SO WE
CANNOT SAY MARY WAS NOT MARRIED WHEN SHE CONCEIVED JESUS. The ANGEL
INFORMS JOSEPH THAT THE CHILD CONCEIVED BY MARY IS OF THE HOLY
SPIRIT. JOSEPH THEN, BY HIS OWN FREE WILL, IN TAKING MARY INTO HIS
HOME AS WIFE, FINAL STEP TO JEWISH MARRIAGE IN THOSE DAYS, HE
WILLINGLY ACCEPTS THE CHILD SHE CONCEIVED AND OF WHICH HE WILL BE IN
THE ROLE OF THE PATERNAL EARTHLY PARENT, REPRESENTING GOD THE FATHER
TO JESUS CHRIST. JOSEPH FREELY CONSENTED TO THIS IN TAKING MARY INTO
NOTE THE FLIGHT INTO EGYPT. IT IS JOSEPH WHO RECEIVES THE
INSTRUCTIONS TO TAKE HIS WIFE AND CHILD AND FLEE INTO EGYPT TO AVOID
THE MASSACRE OF THE INNOCENT BABES, 2 YEARS AND UNDER. GOD HAS THE
ORDER BE GIVEN TO THE HEAD OF THE HOME. MARY OBVIOUSLY ACCEPTED THEN
THE DIRECTED OF JOSEPH – TO GET UP AND LEAVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
NIGHT. MEN WHO SEE THEIR ROLES AS HEAD OF THE FAMILY BEAR A TERRIBLE
RESPONSIBILITY TO WIFE AND CHILDREN, NOT AS SOME WOULD INTERPRET THE
CHURCH’S TEACHING – AS SIMPLY A DOMINATING ROLE OF AUTHORTITY. THE
MAN’S SUBMISSION IS IN THE SERIOUS RESPONSIBILITIES OF SUPPORTING,
PROVIDING, GUIDING, PROTECTING AND PRIMARILY TRUE LOVE WHICH REMOVE
ABUSIVE OR OVER-POWERING ACTIVITIES.
Iâ€™m not sure how old you and your wife are. I spent 22 years of my
marriage misunderstanding â€œsubmissionâ€ to mean â€œobedienceâ€. It was
death to me, John, and all those years of â€œobedienceâ€ backfired very
badly on my husband when I hit age 45. Donâ€™t rob your wife of her
dignity John. Please respect her as a co-heir (lest your prayers be
hindered: 1 Peter 3:7)
WE ARE A YOUNG COUPLE, OUR OLDEST IS FIVE AND BY NEXT JANUARY WE WILL
HAVE FOUR CHILDREN. MY WIFE WOULD CONSIDER HERSELF ROBBED OF HER
DIGNITY IF THE FATHER WAS NOT THE HEAD OF THE HOME, MEANING, CHIEF
DISCIPLINARIAN, PROVIDER, PROTECTOR…. SHE WAS BROUGHT UP THAT WAY
ACCORDING TO THE TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. I SUGGEST YOU GET
THE BOOK: MASCULINITY: THE GENTLE MAN for the complete teachings of
the Church on this. MY WIFE WOULD NOT BE MAKING THOUSANDS OF VEILS
FOR WOMEN FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES IF SHE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE ROLES
OF HUSBAND AND WIFE IN THE FAMILY AND IN THE CHURCH. MY WIFE IS “FREE” BECAUSE OF
HER SUBMISSION. SHE IS RELIEVED OF THE PRESSURES OF FINANCES AND SHE LOVES
HER ROLE AS THE MOTHER AND HEART OF THE HOME. UNLIKE MANY FEMINISTS SHE IS HAPPY.
Jesus- at 12- is another example of appropriate subjection. He did not
apologize nor explain about being out about His Fatherâ€™s business,
despite the fact that Mary and Joseph must have been quite concerned that
he had been left behind in Jerusalem for 3 days!
MARY WAS FULLY AWARE THAT JESUS WAS (IS) GOD AND SHE SURELY INFORMED HER
HUSBAND JOSEPH. “THE HOLY SPIRIT SHALL OVERSHADOW YOU AND HE TO BE BORN
OF YOU WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD.” GOD NEVER HAS TO APOLOGIZE TO
ANY HUMAN BEING, EVEN HIS OWN MOTHER AND VIRGINAL FATHER – BOTH OF WHOM HE
CREATED AND GAVE THIS MISSION TO THEM REGARDING JESUS.
Luke 2:46And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the
temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking
47And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him,
Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have
sought thee sorrowing.
49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I
must be about my Fatherâ€™s business?
50And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
51And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto
them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
The boy Jesus cannot be accused of sinful failiure in His
subjection/submission to his parents when He unapologetically goes about
His Fatherâ€™s business nor can a Christian wife.
Donâ€™t rob other menâ€™s wives of their dignity by confusing
â€œsubmissionâ€ and â€œobedienceâ€ John. They are two different words in
Greek! (see â€œObey?â€ ). God never gave men the job of teaching women
about submission. I think, in HIS wisdom, GOD knows that men may be
inclined to deception about the meaning of â€œsubmissionâ€ (along the
lines of the consequences of the Fall â€œhe shall rule over youâ€ Gen
3:16- [see “Reversing the Fall”]). GOD charges older women to teach the
younger women about being â€œsubject to their own husbandsâ€. Titus 2
SUBMISSION IS NOT SEEN AS BEING OVER-BEARING BY THE HUSBAND – BUT HE
SEES IT AS RESPECT AND RESPONSIBILITY, CONSIDERING THE WIFE’S INSIGHTS
AND INTELLIGENT CONTRIBUTIONS. WHEN DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE, THE
FINAL DECISION IS WITH THE HEAD OF THE HOME – A DECISION WHICH HE MADE
GAINING THE INSIGHTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF HIS WIFE. MANY PAGES COULD
BE WRITTEN ON THIS. THE DISORDER IN UNDERSTANDING ROLES OF MAN AND
WOMAN, HUSBAND AND WIFE, AND THE FAILURE TO LIVE GOD’S INSTRUCTIONS IN
LOVE HAS BROUGHT CRISIS TO THE FAMILY, WITH 20 MILLION CHILDREN IN USA
at this moment WITHOUT DADS IN THE HOME – THANKS TO THE RADICAL